Thursday, September 12, 2013

False Charges Of Hypocrisy Against The Left From Hypocrites On the Right Regarding Syria

It has been the political career of this man to begin with hypocrisy, proceed with arrogance, and finish with contempt ~ Thomas Paine writing on America's first Right-wing president, John Adams. Thomas Paine (2/9/1737 to 6/8/1809) was an English born American Writer and political pamphleteer, whose "Common Sense" and "Crisis" papers were important influences on the American Revolution.

The Left came out against former president bush when he illegally invaded Iraq, touting a baloney rational of needing to "disarm" Saddam. This despite the fact that the IAEA weapons inspectors on the ground at the time were saying it looked like the country was pretty much devoid of WMD. Now that a Democrat is president and it looks like we may lob a few missiles over there (Syria, this time) in order to take out their admitted WMD stockpiles, the Right is having a field day pointing out the Left's "hypocrisy".

Take, for example, a recent article by Noel Sheppard of NewsBusters, which is "a website dedicated to exposing & combating liberal media bias" that (for the most part) doesn't exist...

Noel Sheppard: When George W. Bush was president, Hollywood stars turned anti-war activists such as Susan Sarandon and Tim Robbins were all over the airwaves touting peace. As America apparently heads to war with Syria under a liberal Commander-in-Chief, such folk are mysteriously silent. (Article: Susan Sarandon and Tim Robbins Refuse to Comment on Syria, 9/9/2013).

If Susan Sarandon and Tim Robbins (who are no longer a couple) don't want to comment on Syria, whereas they did comment on Iraq... maybe it has something to do with the moderate "Blue Dog" President Barack Obama telling us the truth and pushing an accurate "chemical weapons out-of-bounds" angle. Remember that when these two celebs spoke out against bush's war - it was a war that bush lied us into! I mean, objecting to a war where the stated justification is an out-and-out lie (and those paying attention knew it) is a little different than waiting to see how a possible military action against a country accused of breaking international law plays out.

This is the reason that I too have been silent on this issue. I did not want to jump to any conclusions, given the fact that we haven't actually done anything militarily yet! Has Obama ordered an invasion? No, he ruled that out during his address Tuesday evening (9/10/2013). The United States is not going to put any boots on the ground in Syria. Yet the Right is quick to break out the comparisons when it comes to who is a hypocrite for not objecting like they did when bush lied us into a boots-on-the ground war in Iraq!

With Iraq it was president bush who broke international law with his illegal invasion; whereas with Syria is it Assad who broke international law with his use of chemical weapons. Granted, the ideal place to handle this would be the United Nations... and I've heard very little on that front (I don't recall President Obama mentioning it during his speech). But now that Syria's foreign minister has admitted that they do indeed have chemical weapons and that the regime is "ready to accept a deal advanced by Russia... to place the weapons under international supervision"... perhaps now is the time to shift responsibility for this mess into the hands of the UN?

The loss of innocent life is extremely troubling; and that, coupled with the fact that Syria has broken international law... this has led me to believe that standing by and doing nothing isn't an option. But, on the other hand the American people are NOT with the president on this. That, plus, even if we only lob a few missiles over there... some innocent people are bound to be killed, and (as a result) some Syrians will surely end up resenting our intrusion (and hate us for it). Nobody is going to buy the "greeted as Liberators" crap that the bush administration was peddling prior to his invasion of Iraq. This time that won't sell.

This is why we've sat this out for so long, I believe. There are simply no good options here. And that may be why these "hypocrite" Hollywood celebs are staying silent too. I honestly do not know what we should do, although I would strongly protest any kind of prolonged engagement for sure; but this is something the President said was definitely not in the cards during his speech. Fact is, while it looked like a vote by Congress would be the route Obama would go for awhile (and that Congress would say NO), that too has now been delayed until the Russian proposal for Syria to disarm itself of it's chemical weapons can be considered.

So, what's with this rush to condemn people for not speaking out against "war" with Syria when it isn't clear what we're going to do? Obviously these people could not give a flying fig about war. It's politics. Period, end of discussion. That's why they're saying things like President Obama "backed himself into a corner" with his "red line" statement about Syria and their use of chemical weapons, when the fact is that, as pointed out by the president himself, "the world set a red line". Indeed, it is the world that has drew the "red line" and not President Obama... so we can dispense with this silly "painting into corners" nonsense...

Wikipedia: The Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC) is an arms control agreement which outlaws the production, stockpiling, and use of chemical weapons and their precursors. A total of 196 states may become members of the Chemical Weapons Convention, including all 193 United Nations member states. Of the seven United Nations Member States that are not, two have signed but not yet ratified the treaty (Burma and Israel) and five states have not signed the treaty (Angola, North Korea, Egypt, South Sudan and Syria).

Still, this does not stop some from making this "corner painting" or "backing into" assertion. Truth be told, this argument first came to my attention via the Libertarian blogger Willis V. Hart. I pushed back against this absurd accusation, and what follows is a reply of his (the most recent to repeat the "corner backing into" claim)...

Willis Hart: I said that he backed himself into a corner with this idiotic red line (which he's now trying to weasel out of by saying that the "world" set the red line - the world evidently not setting a red line when Hussein gassed tens of thousands of Kurds 20 years ago) comment of his. (9/11/2013 2:09pm).

How is President Obama pointing out the very real line that has existed since the Geneva Protocol of 1925 prohibited "the use in war of asphyxiating, poisonous or other gases, and of bacteriological methods of warfare" backing himself into a corner? BTW, the gassing of the Kurds occurred in 1988 when George HW Bush was president, and his administration's reaction was to continue selling these chemicals to Saddam. The world "evidently" did set the red line then, but the first Bush administration simply chose to ignore it. Now we have a president who chooses to not ignore it, and all the weaselly Hart can do is criticize him (and clearly for political reasons)?

And, according to Mr. Hart the Leftist Hollywood celebs are "silent" because "as long as it's their guy who doing the killing, silence is golden". Concerning "people Like Bruce Springsteen and Tim Robbins" Willis says they are "seemingly not giving a rat's-ass" about the non-existent possibility of "war" with Syria (a "boots on the ground" war that can not, in any way, be compared to Iraq, that is). Frankly, I think that the Hartster pushing these lies from the Right is shameful.

Finally, Mr. Hart gives a shout-out to veteran Leftist Ed Asner who claims that "a lot of people don't want to feel anti-black by being opposed to Obama". Sorry, Mr. Asner, I've got a lot of respect for you (and I appreciate you taking a stand on Syria), but that's total bullpucky (or at least mostly bullpucky).

The real reason for the "silence" from Hollywood Liberals is because "an all-out war in Iraq under Bush... was a much bigger deal than potential missile strikes against Syria under the direction of Obama". That's according to Mike Farrell, another Hollywooder who is among the vocal celebs when it comes to opposing "war" with Syria (quotes from a 9/6/2013 Hollywood Reporter article by Paul Bond).

Also according to Asner (and on this I agree with him), "the lack of an organized effort against war in Syria is a matter of timing. Bush took months to make the case for war in Iraq, giving the antiwar Left plenty of time to prepare a response". It isn't that the "Hollywood Left" is being "silent" now, it's that nobody is sure what we're going to do yet, and (in the case of Iraq) bush wanting war was apparent for quite some time (and that gave the "Hollywood Left" time to organize it's opposition). And the lying too. We must not forget the lying.

Conclusion? These claims of "as long as it's their guy who doing the killing, silence is golden" are FALSE, and are being peddled by hypocrites and liars... or fools suffering from delusions of grandeur (Hart). This Hart guy views himself as superior to us "partisans" when he's the one who's guilty here. Guilty of taking his Obama-bashing cues from the Right and guilty of not seeing that we're dealing with an honest president here and a REAL red line... when the last president who made the case for war was a liar and tried to frighten us with imaginary "mushroom clouds" (something else Hart denies). Not to mention the fact that President Obama is specifically not advocating an invasion (something I would categorically oppose).

As for the bombing, I am not convinced that would be a good idea either. Let the UN handle this, or at least make a case there. The citizenry of the United States is clearly opposed to our taking the lead in Syria, and if President Obama pushes forward on this I think he will be making a mistake.

Correction 9/14/2013: I cited the Chemical Weapons Convention of 1997 as the treaty that resulted in the world drawing a red line in regards to the use of chemical weapons in warfare. The red line was actually drawn with the Geneva Protocol of 1925. The 1925 treaty prohibited the use of chemical weapons while the 1997 treaty prohibits the manufacture and stockpile of chemical weapons. I know I knew this, but still made the mistake for some reason... maybe because I'm an "idiot" as pointed out by Mr. Hart. This post has been modified to reflect the correct information.

Further Reading
[1] President Obama's Masterful Job on Syria by Grung E. Gene, Disaffected And It Feels So Good 9/12/2013.
[2]Top 10 Unproven Claims for War Against Syria by Dennis J. Kucinich, The Huffington Post 9/05/2013.

SWTD #204, wDel #35.

71 comments:

  1. It's late friend, and I don't have time to analyze your entire post, but I will surely read it tomorrow or Saturday. Let me just ask, to kick things off, where do you get the notion of Adams being the first right-wing president? My first thought was, of course, ludicrous! However, I confess I know little of his political theories. Much less than Washington, Madison, Jefferson, Franklin or even Thomas Paine. Is it because he espoused the idea of a bicameral legislature? Surely a strong federalist would not be considered right-wing today. Of course the first bicameral legislative body was in ancient Rome. I find it quite comical that even today, our British cousins maintain a "House of Lords." What utter poppycock! Yet in the revolutionary continental states it was doubtless the norm that only the wealthy and landed gentry had any power whatsoever in politics. That much has change little in two hundred and forty years. Humble persons may hold local or state office, or even become a member of congress, yet the majority of senators, governors and presidents are filthy rich. Eisenhower, Truman and Nixon being the only exceptions that come to mind.

    Just what exactly do you mean by that statement and how do you back it up? Napoleon Bonaparte turned out to be a bit more right-wingy than most of his admirers had originally believed. That much is certain!

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    1. FJ: ...where do you get the notion of Adams being the first right-wing president? My first thought was, of course, ludicrous!

      Of course? I didn't expect my referring to John Adams as Right-wing to get any notice at all, let alone be thought of as ludicrous. As for the notion, it comes from listening to Thom Hartmann. He says this on his radio program now and again. Here is an example (excerpt) from an article of his that can be found on the internet...

      Thom Hartmann: ...John Adams led the conservative Federalists (who today would be philosophically identical to GOP Republicans)...

      I don't know about "identical", but I certainly think "analogous" is a word that could be used... and that is how I thought Thom described Federalists like Adams (analogous to the Right-wing of today) previously on his radio program (but this is the only print example I could find).

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  2. Nice start guys...I went through the website and I found that you made decent point here. Keep up the topic that everyone can choose one of the best. Thanks. become an actress

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  3. This whole episode has been bad and embarrassing enough, but my bigger concern has been how Putin leverages the gift we gave him. This is not a guy who won't take advantage of something like this. We'll see how it plays out, it's pretty much up to him. Putin has Obama's number and has played him like a fiddle.
    Sorry my Lefty friends, this can't be spun. Obama comes off very Carteresque on this.

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  4. Thanks for the link Dervish. I enjoy Thom. Listened to him every morning in my rental car when I went to Portland Oregon. Unfortunately, San Diego and the powerful Los Angeles AM stations no longer offer progressive radio. They just took it off the table and replaced it with sports talk. The once historic KFI Los Angeles has gone completely right-wing.

    This notion of Hamilton as a modern conservative and Jefferson as his more liberal counterpart has been taught in our schools since the 1950s. Interestingly, Adams had quarrels over military adventures with Hamilton and ultimately expelled him from his cabinet. I love to learn as much as I can about these figures whether in print or dramatizations.

    I think the term right-wing is a very damning pejorative. It brings to mind the dictators of the past as well as racists in Scandinavia and Germany, American political voices such as Limbaugh, Gingrich and the Koch brothers. Conservative is a gentler, kinder label for our republican friends who have not yet surrendered their souls to the lust for evil and destruction and yet understand what it means to love one another.

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    1. Comment from "The Most Interesting Man in the World" removed because it violated my blog commenting rules...

      Comments from people with Blogger accounts that are set to not display their profiles will be deleted or not published. If I look at your profile and see a page that says "Profile not available" your comment will probably be deleted.

      Also, his comment was racist (referring to our First Lady as "the first Wookie" and "Moochie").

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  6. The problem with Obama supporters like Flying Junior, Shaw, and the other hate filled progressive sheep is they make it possible for Obama do damage to this country irreparably. Obama wouldn't have the guts to try any of the things he's trying without his mindless supporters.

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    1. You think Obama takes his cues from Left-wing bloggers? The "Truthanator" annihilates the truth. Ha ha ha ha. I guess you helped GWb do irreparable damage to our country when he was in office?

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    2. Obama is a centrist Truthanator. wd is the epitome of Left Wing.

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  7. If avoiding an act of war while still bringing Syria's chemical weapons under international control is Carteresque, then being Carteresque is a very good thing.

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    1. The LOL "Carteresque" comment may be a fake. Isn't this out of character for LOL? Could be Rusty trying to slip a spoofed comment in... apparently he thinks that is quite hilarious.

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  8. Thanks for calling out these stupid right-wing dickheads. It's not a difficult task, but it does involve reading their idiotic ramblings.

    Bush's adventures in Iraq and Afghanistan cost two to three trillion dollars, the cost of helping to rebuild Iraq, plus the cost to the VA for lifetime medical care and general caregiving for wounded veterans. It killed almost 6,000 U.S. soldiers, no insignificant number of deaths to other coalition soldiers, many deaths to the war profiteers, read civilian contractors in Iraq and upwards of 100,000 deaths of Iraqis.

    What is the cost so far of Obama's words? A couple of thousand dollars? These words are backed up by the strength and might of the U.S. military. This policy is over one hundred years old. Teddy Roosevelt, anyone? It is more difficult than ever today in the information age to bluff or play a game of brinkmanship as did Kennedy with Kruschev in 1962. At that time, we could all thank our lucky stars that the Russians loved their children too. I, for one am damn proud and feel a hell of a lot safer with Obama in the White House. We knew when we elected him that he was rather hawkish from his statements on controlling threats in Afghanistan and Pakistan. He would love to be another idealistic anti-war hippie such as myself if he did not hold the most important office in the world.

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  9. TWO WORDS FOR YOU CRITTER PRICK AND FLYING JERK-OFF.... FUCK YOU BOTH! IN SPADES.

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    1. Neither Flying Junior nor Jerry engaged you Truth-annihilator, so why are you attacking them? An all-caps comment PLUS an F-bomb... further comments of this nature will not be published. Thanks.

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    2. Beware Truthanator, you've been forewarned by wd. But he does make a valid point.

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  10. Another hate post
    congratulations
    against your same enemy Will
    when you hate, you hate hard
    you are just like RN

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    1. Steve [9/14/2013 4:45 AM]
      Another hate post
      congratulations
      against your same enemy Will
      when you hate, you hate hard
      you are just like RN


      The troll Steve is banned, but I published this comment because I wanted ask the liar WHERE in my commentary does it say that I hate Will Hart? You point out where, dipshit. WHERE do I say I hate Will or that he is my "enemy"?

      Silent about Noel Sheppard though. I quoted him, then disagreed with what he said. Doesn't that mean I hate him too?

      I realize whatever mental illness you suffer from requires you to find someone to fixate on and direct YOUR hate toward... but how about finding someone new to obsess on? Please do that... or, better yet, seek psychiatric help... because you seriously need it.

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    2. No surprise... got a response from the troll Steve (which I am not going to publish), but he failed to answer the question. Instead he accuses me of using moderation to cover up "the truth". What an utter moron.

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    3. Mr. Sanders, this Steve, as well as the infamous Anon, of which there are likely many all have the same MO. Your prior comment regarding Steve's possible mental instability may be quite accurate. Anticipate the harrassment from Steve to persist for quite some time.

      I sympathize with your having to deal with Steve the troll. But simply consider it a compliment. Anybody who can piss Steve off must be doing something right.

      Enjoy the weekend Mr. Sandersn

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    4. FYI, Steve... I have all your comments. Don't assume I simply delete them. I'm contemplating publishing them in a post or on a separate page. That way everyone can see how truly sick Steve is. The latest one concerns RN and I having gay sex. And both of us being bigots who hate Jews... even though I've never said a damn thing against Jews in my entire life (or anything that could be considered antisemitic). But Steve's HATE is such that the truth does not matter at all to him. He'll make up any lie to slander people he irrationally hates.

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  11. RN is one of those people you would love to buy for what they are worth.......and then sell them for what they think they are worth......

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    1. If only you could buy and sell yourself eh Mr. Rusted Shackeliron.

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  12. This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

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    1. Spam (and off topic) comment from "Ipso Facto" removed because it violated my commenting rule #5 that says (in part), "Comments found elsewhere on the internet (cut and past jobs) may be deleted".

      Following is an excerpt from the "Ipso Facto" comment that can be found on multiple blogs...

      Ipso Facto: How can he get a fair trial when Spike Lee, Holder, Al Sharpton and the Black Panthers stirs up the lynch mob along with the other race hustlers? The New Black Panthers are no better than and reminiscent of the KKK...

      The exact same comment (more matches than the excerpt above) on various other blogs...

      By "Timothy Reids Thoughts" on the blog GeeeZ.

      By "Right Turn" on the blog Right Wing Theocrat.

      By "Timothy Reids Thoughts" on the blog Jo-Joe Politico.

      By "Timothy Reids Thoughts" on the blog Teresamerica.

      A second comment (which was more of the same) by "Ipso Facto" was not published. Ipso Facto is welcome to publish in the future if he stays on topic and refrains from Spamming. Thank you.

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  13. Sorry to Burst your bubble Sherlock Holmes, or are you trying to be Dick Tracy?
    Bu I am Spamming NOT!
    But I am "Timothy Reids Thoughts", I simply changed the name of MY blog.


    Ta-ta, Farewell

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  14. And by the way, Only COWARDS use Moderation on their blogs..............

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  15. So you're Timothy Reid and changed your name to "Ipso Facto"? So what? You're still repeating yourself on multiple blogs... and you submitted an incredibly LONG screed on George Zimmerman and how it's the Black who are the "real racists" here... WHICH IS NOT THE TOPIC BEING DISCUSSED!

    Asking people to stay on topic isn't cowardly. Also, you couldn't have changed the name of your blog because you don't have one. I looked at your profile and there is no blog of your own listed (only blogs you follow). If there was I'd say you could post an excerpt and link to your George Zimmerman screed on my blog (in reply to one of my posts on the topic). FYI, this is my blog and if I don't want comments to be "anything goes", which is my prerogative. Nothing cowardly about that at all.

    I suspect "Ipso Facto" is a coward. He wants to write long screeds about George Zimmerman but refuses to publish his thoughts on a blog of his own (instead thinking he can hijack the comment threads on the blogs of others). Clearly he's afraid of the comments he might get if he published on his own blog.

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  16. FYI Mr. Sanders, I suspect you may not publish this..,, I disagree with the majority of your positions on issues as well as most of your conclusions when playing Sherlock Holmes. However, personal beliefs aside your commentary does give food for thought. As much as I disagree with your world view the process of stimulating honest and free exchange of ideas is more important than one Individuals view that you are "wet behind the ears" so to spea

    Considering the above you are free to post comment as will on my site The only restriction is you follow comment guidelines and refrain from personal attacks.

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    1. I did not play "Sherlock Holmes" in regards to "Ipso Facto". I don't want to be spammed with long screeds (especially off topic ones) that are posted on other blogs... although I presume you are referring to the "quilty" post and my conclusion that you were "the sword of truth".

      As for me not publishing your comment, I suspect the reason you thought I might not publish is because of the "wet behind the ears" insult. A personal attack I've previously debunked (by pointing out that my blog has been online longer than your blog).

      But you're right that I don't like it, as I don't like a comment that includes a personal attack cautioning me to not engage in personal attacks on RN's blog... when I only responded IN KIND to a personal attack from Will Hart. Did you submit the same caution (in comment form) to Mr. Hart's blog?

      BTW, is you admitting that you are toying with me (in the comment thread where you expressed pleasure at the thought of infuriating me with your inane comments) your attempt at being friendly? Certainly being a jackass (not a personal attack as you ADMITTED it) is as bad as a personal attack (or worse, given the fact that I was only defending myself against Hart's personal attack).

      Considering the above you are free to post comment on my site. The only restriction is you follow comment guidelines and refrain from personal attacks and further restrain yourself from being a jackass.

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  17. I couldn't care less if you believe me or not, either way you are a pathetic asshole.
    Put that in your pipe and publish it.

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    1. I never said I didn't believe you. My point is that my blog isn't the place for you to publish your posts. You've got your own blog for that. If you want to do an excerpt and a link on a RELEVANT post... feel free. Thanks.

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  18. By the way, if you read the small print on my blog, you'll see that I "WAS" Timothy Reid.....

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    1. There was no blog the first time I checked... but now it's there... and I see your posts. Why publish your blog posts as comments on my blog? And in response to a post of mine that has nothing to do with George Zimmerman or Spike Lee? Should I publish one of my posts as a comment on your blog? What if I publish this post about Syria as a comment to your post about Spike Lee tweeting?

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  19. Dervish Sanders said "What if I publish this post about Syria as a comment to your post about Spike Lee tweeting?"

    Have a good time... Suit yourself.

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    1. Done. Posted my commentary about Keith Olbermann to your blog, seeing as you expressed an interest in him. Enjoy.

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  20. I’m not going to say that I delight in the killing of leftist thugs like Travon Martin because… why bother? Anyway, here’s a perfect example of the Utterly Divorced From Reality leftist point of view in the aftermath of the Zimmerman acquittal.

    Which you’d pretty much expect from Keef Olberdouche

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    1. FYI, still off topic. I'll allow it because it is a lot shorter than what you originally submitted. BTW, in regards to my submitting a long commentary to your blog... I did so because you invited me to. I am not, however, inviting you to publish your commentaries (from your blog) on my blog. Please do not attempt, as (if you do) your comment won't be published. Thanks.

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  21. More Left wing loons running amuk all over the blogisphere.

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  22. One has to wonder why Mr. Sanders delights in these sort of games. For a moment anyway.


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    1. Jeez, MORE word salad from RN? The only one who's been playing games is you, RN. You ADMITTED it!

      YOUR WORDS RN!

      RN: ...your blog is a mere amusement for me, an oppurtunity to laugh and then infuriate you. I do recall you said having a conversation with me is infuriating. Rest assured it is a one way deal.

      RN is playing games, and RN clearly delights in it. Me, I'm sick of RN's games.

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    2. Mr. Sanders, I suggest you let it go, you're making the progressive left look very foolish. Whether you realize it or not I'm just trying to help here.

      Feel free to keep posting comments on RN USA. Anticipating your reasoned comments.

      A very good evening to you Mr. Sanders.

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    3. Keep spinning RN. Everyone can see from your own comments that you submit comments to the blogs of others that are far from "reasoned". In any case, I am not a follower of your Ayn Rand cult of delusional reasoning. That said, YOU have a "good" evening.

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    4. Indeed a brilliantly intellectual response Mr. Sanders. I am quite impressed with your superb projection skills as well.

      Oh, I can't help but muse as to why you mention Ayn Rand here on this thread. Especially in light of the fact she has no relevancy to this discussion. Unless of course you wish to begin a discussion of her rejection of conservatism in general.

      Having said this Mr. Sanders, YOU have a good evening. I always do!!!

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  23. Hey Dervish,

    I just visited RN's blog and became extremely incensed at the stupidity of Will's comment about holding Obama to the same standard that we anti-war hippies held Bush to when we deemed him a war criminal. Please allow me to cross-post my comment on your discussion board.

    Slow down there Will. Obama has not started a war yet. You, nor any other private citizen can offer any proof that illegal renditions have occurred under Obama's administration. I don't believe he really has the authority to release the prisoners in Guantanamo. Do you think he should at least try and test the waters?

    Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld are considered war criminals precisely for their secret renditions, for sanctioning the torture of prisoners in U.S. custody, for the culture of cruelty which promoted inhumane treatment of prisoners in both Abu Ghraib and Bagram, for the cruel siege of Fallujah, for the Navy shelling and aerial bombardment of Baghdad, for the unjust imprisonment of Iraqi civilian males, for the indiscriminate killing of Iraqi civilians as the Army took over cities house by house like SS officers and for allowing a criminal organization like Blackwater to enjoy paramilitary status, paid for by the U.S. treasury, with all of their murder, mayhem and good old-fashioned fun for fascists. Many of the sins of the Bush administration and their Pentagon were not war crimes, but were still highly immoral and illegal.

    You are going to compare Obama's actions to that? You're not paying attention. You need to get off of your right-wing blog reading list and get a new hobby. I have not trusted anyone who hates the president since I got over the PUMA thing in 2010. You are a shining example of why Obama haters are not to be trusted to tell the truth. Obama restored the honor and prestige of the U.S.A. after it had been squandered for private profit. A nearly impossible task. Just how did Obama let you down anyway?

    Peace Out

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  24. Errr, excuse me Egg-head,aka Flying Junior
    I have some news for you! Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld have been OUT of office for over FIVE years. When does the idiotic Blame Bush Bull-Shit expire?

    With Obama’s poll numbers falling to earth like a rock, blaming a former President for the country’s woes and for Obama’s stupid Red Lines and his policy failures is not going to fly. So go back to your little room in the basement that your Mama allows you to say in and get back to your google research and try again. .

    Bush-bashing seems to be alive and well since Obama is back in the Shit House. Everything old is new again. As they say, When all you have is a shovel, all you can do is dig! Even people who didn’t like Bush are tired of that stupid line. Get over it, It’s Obama’s game now. Meanwhile, Obama is STILL fucking up the country!

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  25. What were you expecting? You don't know how good you have it until it's gone.

    I don't think highly of Bush, but he was definitely less damaging to America's image than Obama has been.
    I think that Bush really loved this country, and I can't say the same about Obama.

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    1. President Obama is still the most admired world leader. How is that damaging to the US. Bush NEVER was admired by other countries. He was hated around the world.

      BF: "I think that Bush really loved this country, and I can't say the same about Obama."

      You can't say the same about Obama, but that doesn't mean it's true, does it. It just means you have no respect for our American president. Fair enough. You admired Bush, who was one of the most hated men in the world and who dragged this country into two wars which were responsible for the deaths of thousands of our military and thousands of Iraqis and Afghanis, and which were never paid for and that contributed trillions of dollars to our debt.

      Your dislike of Obama appears to be simply politically motivated and not based on anything he's done to this country. And your admiration of Bush seems to be based on the "R" after his name and nothing more. How do you reckon Bush's "loving his country" with the fact that he caused the US to be at war for 10 years, plunged the US trillion of dollars in debt, and was also responsible for the worst financial disaster since the Great Depression?

      Did you overlook those awful events because Bush shares your political outlook?


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  26. Hey Dumbass, While we're getting rid of the second amendment, let's get rid of the first, fourth, fifth........clearly those would not be needed as well by your opinion.

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  27. RN: Indeed a brilliantly intellectual response Mr. Sanders. I am quite impressed with your superb projection skills as well.

    Projection? I was referring to YOUR OWN WORDS, RN! RN said, and I quote... "your blog is a mere amusement for me, an opportunity to laugh and then infuriate you".

    BTW, if you are expecting "reasoned" comments from me, why should I publish your unreasoned ones? You are hereby banned, RN. You can give it a third try if/when I put up a new post, but you are banned from commenting on old posts. *IF* you decide to comment again you will be published *IF* you can live up to your own expectation for comments that are "reasoned". Comments that are intended to infuriate so you can then laugh will probably be deleted. Thank you.

    The Screaming Eagle: Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld have been OUT of office for over FIVE years. When does the idiotic Blame Bush Bull-Shit expire?

    Yet, we are still living with the consequences of their actions... a recession caused by their economic policies, an ongoing war in Afghanistan, and expenses from two wars started by bush that will add trillions to the debt. There is no expiration date on blaming bush. The Left will continue to blame bush as long as we are living with the consequences of his disastrous presidency. When does your idiotic blame Obama for the disastrous consequences of the bush administration expire?

    Bumper Freid: You don't know how good you have it until it's gone.

    Ha ha ha ha ha.

    Flying Junior: I... became extremely incensed at the stupidity of Will's comment about holding Obama to the same standard that we anti-war hippies held Bush to...

    Me too. Don't expect anything but disagreement in regards to your comment, though. You're just a partisan stooge while Will is an intellectually honest individual looking for consistency and disgusted by the hypocrisy of the Left (in his mind).

    Will refuses to acknowledge the obvious fact that GWb lied when he said we needed to invade to "disarm" Saddam... this was when the IAEA inspectors who were on the ground at the time were saying it looked like Iraq was complying (the inspections WORKED, in other words). Instead he says GWb needs to be cut some slack because a good case could have been made for removing Saddam for humanitarian reasons... but Obama acting for humanitarian reasons is intolerable... even if he can achieve getting Syria's chemical weapons secured (and destroyed) with UN involvement. We can't cut Obama any slack and wait and see if his efforts pay off and if the *threat* of force (which is all it is at this point in time) help achieve that goal.

    With bush it was CLEAR that his intention was invasion (despite the ultimatums he gave to Saddam). With Obama his threats of an attack on Syria may very well be just threats... and he's only threatening a small strike, not an invasion. There is no comparison except in Will's mind.

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    1. Remember the forty-eight hours that Bush gave to Saddam Hussein to surrender or else face the military consequences?

      The colossal arrogance. No wonder Dolly Parton and Sarah Palin admired his manhood.

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    2. bush's ultimatums were disingenuous and for show only. He gave the Taliban an ultimatum but never intended to entertain ANY offers from them to give up bin Laden. Peter Singer writes that "remarkably, as far as we can tell from Woodward's account, after giving the Taliban the ultimatum, Bush never discussed, with Condoleezza Rice, with Powell, with the National Security Council, or with any other advisers, the response of Mullah Omar, the Taliban leader, who asked the US Government to provide evidence of bin Laden's involvement in the events of September 11, and indicated that if this was done, he would be willing to hand bin Laden over to an Islamic court in another Muslim country. [A proposal that] was later softened to a requirement that the court have at least one Muslim judge".

      bush determined beforehand that he was going to war no matter what in Afghanistan, and did the same with Iraq, whereas Obama is trying to avoid our dropping bombs on Syria (working with Russia and the UN to secure and destroy Syria's chemical weapons).

      BTW, what's with your comment about Dolly Parton... I've never heard her say anything political. Given that I'm a fan, I'd be disappointed to find out she said anything in support of bush and his illegal wars.

      MESSAGE TO THE TWIT RUSTY: your comment won't be published, nor will any other comments submitted by you on this topic (unless I author another post that has something to do with it). [the topic being Black on White violence]. Also, I don't want to hear about discussions about me on Will's blog (surprised your comment didn't have something to do with that).

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  28. I'm not kidding, Dervish. Guessing that some time around March 16th, 2003, a few hours after midnight EST or thereabouts, amid great fanfare, GWB officially issued his ultimate ultimatum to Saddam H. He was not joking as history has proved. Ever the good sportsman, GWB did give his adversaries a fair chance to surrender, (Dorothy!) Not only allowing for the ten hours plus time difference, he waited an appropriate amount of time until the sun was shining brightly in Iraq, coinciding with a normal workday in the U.S.A.

    You tell me the exact minute that the shelling began on March 19, 2003. I was aware of it at the time. That was the moment that we threw away our claim to being the greatest nation on earth.

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  29. hahahahaha......of course, never even thought you'd have the balls to publish my comments......not from a wuss who would rather listen to a movie score then get laid.

    I guess Will put the fear of god into your girlyboy ass. 95% of the blogging world thinks you're a friggin ignorant crackpot.....I also think you are a half of fag.

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    1. hahahahaha... The idiot Rusty thinks he and the other 3 deluded Conservatives that hang out at Will's blog constitute 95 percent of the entire blogging world? Rusty rarely posts elsewhere (nor does he have the guts to do anything with either of his two blogs), but when he does he usually ends up looking like an ignorant crackpot. He even gets called out for being a schmuck on Will's blog by one of the other amigos who comments there!

      And WTF is "half of fag"? Something homophobic I suspect... that would be in line with your comments about me not wanting to get laid and my "girlyboy ass". Rusty Schmuckelford is surely one of the most bigoted, ignorant (certainly regarding the size of the "blogging word", 99 percent of which is unaware of my existence) and stupid schmucks in the entire world.

      hahahahaha... thanks for the laughs, Rusty. FYI, Will can "report" me, but not a damn thing will come of it. Fact is, the only thing Will putting up that post will accomplish is to illustrate to anyone who reads it what a schmuck he is. And it shows what a schmuck you are to believe it would "put the fear of God" into me. hahahahaha.

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  30. LOL! Another young, (or maybe not so young but acts like he or she is) naive lib. Making another typical idiotic progressive, liberal comment. Repeat the stupidity that somebody else says and then make a generic statement criticizing it. I think I will ignore you from now on.
    Let's just call this a kool-aid test. If some die-hard Obamanut really believes that Obama NOW deserves the peace prize because he "avoided" a war, by bowing down once again (this time symbolically) then I have a one-way ticket to join Jonestown for you ...
    Obama is the loser's loser. Putin make a fool out of him (which wasn’t hard to do) He’s Incompetent, impotent, dissed and dismissed, he is no longer a threat to anyone., including Iran, N. Korea, China, you name it, and especially Syria..
    If Obama had any brains and any guts he would have told Syria that unless they gave up all their Chemicals, we would bomb the crap out of them. He could have done that when he opened his mouth and spit out the Red line nonsense. Instead he sent in that other phoney Kerry ( “did you know that I was in Viet Nam”) to warm them about a “small, unbelievably limited, short strike” ! My God when did ANYONE ever say anything like that to the potential target? He may as well had told them when and when and how to defend against it!
    He truly is the amateur that Clinton tried to warn us he was. It’s truly amazing how hypocritical politicians are, Clinton knows Obama is an amateur but now he is out campaigning for him. This should tell everyone that they better not count on anything said by a politician. One big stupid, unAmerican, and evil club where they are all out for themselves and make suckers out of us voters.
    Now the entire world and all their leaders know what a blow hard these hyenas Obama and Kerry are, and no one in the entire world respects or trusts him and they weren’t even wise enough not to get sucked up in their foolishness trying to play big and tough.. And worse yet, nobody any longer fears us.
    He couldn't even get his own Democratic politicians to go along with him.
    Obama is now the laughingstock of the world scene and only die hard liberals refuse to acknowledge how he is making fools of them. And worse, he made Putin an old KGB thug look like the hero.
    Remember when Rush Limbaugh said that he wanted Obama to be a failed president well, Obama did everything to guarantee his wish! I really hate to admit it, but it’s true, we ARE the laughing stock of the world and these clueless libs right here don't even get it!


    Why is Hillary Clinton so remarkably silent on Syria?








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  31. bush is the loser's loser. He failed in the business world, even with the help (and money) of his Daddy's friends. Then he transformed Texas into one of the nation's most polluted states. After that (as prez) he used a terrorist attack that he ignored was coming to start two illegal wars, lying to the American people before the beginning of each. With Afghanistan he issued an ultimatum and demanded the Taliban turn over bin Laden. The Taliban said they would, but wanted to negotiate the terms. bush said they "defied" him and attacked. In Iraq bush said Saddam wasn't disarming himself even though the IAEA weapons inspectors said he was... and bush attacked. Two wars bush lied us into. Then he crashed the economy and bailed out the investment banks that were responsible. But all the stupid Cons can do is blame Obama for the economic condition of our country caused (in large part) by the disastrous presidency of the loser president bush? Pathetic.

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  32. Pathetic? It's Pathetic that you are even STILL talking about Bush.

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    1. I think it incredibly pathetic that Darth is so clueless that he isn't aware that the consequence of a president's actions persist LONG after he has left office. Thanks for sharing with us all how ignorant you are though Darth. Now everyone will know that comments by Darth should not be taken seriously (if they didn't already know this).

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    2. We already know this. Just read any of his dumbass comments.

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  33. My memory was a little bit off, the shelling and bombardment of Baghdad started at 5:30 a.m. Iraq time the day of Mar. 19, 2003 or 10:30 p.m. EST the evening of Mar. 18, 2003. I do recall that Bush did give Saddam a little bit more than forty-eight hours. So Bush gave his western hero style ultimatum to Saddam Hussein shortly before going to bed Sunday and then probably stayed up late on Tuesday to watch the attack.

    Sorry Mouse, but I was truly ashamed that day. I didn't even know how much worse things would eventually turn out to be. Nothing to do with being a liberal whatsoever. A true stain on our nation. And we weren't really talking about Obama anymore. Try to keep up. Talk about the laughingstock of the world. Did you ever see all of the video postcards from Europe when Bush was re-elected? They smiled and said how sorry they were, but that they still loved the American people.

    Dolly Parton, just a few days after the invasion, did a glitzy, tasteless television special salute to the troops where she paraded around the stage in blue sequins touting her left and right titties as "Shock," and "Awe." Ain't that special?

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  34. I'd guess Flying Jerkoff would have also been truly ashamed when the men hit Omaha Beach on D-Day.....and I'd guess he would have been truly ashamed when our guys defended Pork Chop Hill.....and he would have been really ashamed of our forces at Hue during the Tet offensive......Flying Jerkoff fits right in the wuss box with Dervy.

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    1. First... no. Second... maybe I should file a complaint with the server on grounds of harassment against Rusty? Ha ha ha ha ha. You, Will, Dennis and RN are 4 schmucks who deserve each other.

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  35. No more shame, honey child. Everything is okay now. Obama is loved and respected around the world. We have been forgiven and regained our status as a trusted ally and superpower. We remain a shining light for truth, justice and human rights.

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  36. FJ

    Now that he has totally been denutted by Russia who is it that has any respect for the US. Even GB won't stand with him but I almost forgot, France will.

    I do think GWB is responsible for Syria slapping Obama down, at least that is the obummer version.

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  37. The U.S. has always had a great treasure store of respect and love around the world. During the 20th century, our gifts to the world were unparalleled. Jazz, film, popular culture, baseball, basketball and football. We helped to defeat the forces of fascism. We helped to rebuild a defeated and war-torn Europe. The American auto industry. Our technological innovations continue to lead the world in almost every endeavor. Our guitars and musical instruments. No other nation is as generous with their wealth to help the less fortunate. The dollar remains the currency of the world. While American English remains the language of choice. And it's still the best place to live by far.

    I have no shortage of pride in my country. But the popular culture in the U.S.A. today?? Meh! Not so much.

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  38. The sour grapes of these lefties is so obvious! The Flying Jerkoff as Mr. Shackelford has so rightly named him is completely whacked out and out of touch.

    Where is this major deficit reduction your President speaks of? Reducing the degree to which you're overspending is not reducing the deficit, it is slowing the growth rate!

    And that Nitwit John Kerry the King of Hanoi should be careful about throwing around the phrase "unbelievably small" It only goes to show what an Idiot looks and sounds like

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  39. Not 1/2 fag, ALL FAG!
    He and RN are butt fuck buddies
    Please get your facts straight

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  40. Don't be so mean to the President Darth. It takes a lot of work to keep people from remembering that the sequester was his idea. And just last week he was busy getting rolled by Russia, so he is really behind on his golf game. Nothing like a couple of blown tee times to really leave him testy. Follow the pattern: whenever the President does not get his way on a foreign policy issue, he takes out on his fellow Americans. It takes a real man to grab the bully pulpit and bully those he disagree with and lie about them with a straight face. But Mr. Obama is just that kind of man, and by golly, he is going to fib and deceive until he gets his golf in. Capiche?

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