The question has changed now. It's no longer "was there collusion?", it's now "how much collusion was there?" ~ Trevor Noah of the Daily show, re the email chain discussing the Russian government's support for Trump winning the presidency, 7/11/2017.
In addition to colluding with Russia, DJT also colluded with Satan to win the predisency. "Predisent", not being a misspelling of "president", but an alternate spelling of the word that means the president is illegitimate (I assume).
As for DJT colluding with Old Scratch, Trump's drunk TV wife (as per Stephanie Miller), Jeanine Pirro (someone who ran for office 5 times herself) said (on her Fox Nooz program "Justice with Judge Jeanine") "if the Devil called me and said he wanted to set up a meeting to give me opposition research on my opponent - I'd be on the first trolley to Hell to get it".
This was in regards to Trump Jr. taking a meeting with Natalia Veselnitskaya (and 4 other Russians, including money launderer Irakly Kaveladze) because she said (via email) that she had dirt on HRC. "I love it" DJT Jr replied.
"...any politician who tells you otherwise is a bald faced liar" Pirro added, dismissing the "Trump Russia collusion" allegations. Although this is patently false. John F. Kennedy rebuffed Nikita Khrushchev's offer of help (to defeat Nixon) when "Russian operatives... attempted to contact Kennedy campaign officials during the 1960 election" (Why Russian Officials Tried to Help John F. Kennedy Win the Presidency).
Additionally, when someone sent the Al Gore campaign "a videotape of George W. Bush rehearsing for the upcoming debate", Thomas Downey (person who was playing gwb in debate practice opposite Gore and individual to whom the VHS was sent), immediately (as soon as he realized what was on the tape) turned it over to the FBI (Someone Gave Al Gore "Dirt" On George Bush. Here's What His Campaign Did).
Trump Jr, on the other hand, in response to an email with the subject line "Russia - Clinton - Private and Confidential", agreed to take the meeting. Even though the email (sent by Rob Goldstone, an English publicist who manages the career of singer-songwriter Emin Agalarov, the son of Russian oligarch Aras Agalarov) stated that the info was being provided as "part of Russia and it's government's support for Mr. Trump" (Donald Trump Jr. releases email chain on his Russian meeting).
So what if Natalia Veselnitskaya didn't actually provide the dirt on HRC that was mentioned in the email (if she didn't, and I'm certainly not taking her, or DJT Jr's word for it)? If Don Jr had responded to an email promising sex with an underage girl, but when he got to the meeting he encountered Chris Hansen instead, would we accept a claim from him that no crime was committed? What is important is that Trump Jr. INTENDED to collude. "I love it" he said!
And, YES, the meeting violated campaign finance law, as Trump Jr. INTENDED to accept a "contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation". The "other thing of value" being info damaging to HRC's campaign (Watchdogs to DOJ: Trump Jr. meeting broke campaign finance laws).
BTW, as per Cenk Uygur of The Young Turks, it "sure looks like Trump knew his son was meeting with Russians".
Trump Jr, who took Paul Manafort and Jared Kushner with him to the meeting, insists that his father was unaware of the meeting until recently. Sure, that's believable. Not. How much collusion was there? IMO there was a LOT.
Remember that money launderer Irakly Kaveladze was at the Don Jr. meeting? Apparently special prosecutor Robert Mueller is looking into Trump's finances (Confirmed: subpoenas have been sent to banks regarding Donald Trump and money laundering).
Trump Sr, who, due to his many bankruptcies, could no longer obtain loans from US banks, turned to Russia to keep his empire afloat. Russian oligarchs and mobsters told Trump they'd loan him what he needed - if he'd launder their dirty money. Launding the Russians accomplished by overpaying for Trump properties (With Trump and Russia, it's all about the money).
This, I suspect, is how Muller will bring down Trump. Explaining why Trump indicated that Muller looking into his finances might be something he would not tolerate. Doing so would "be a violation of what the investigation was supposed to focus on" Trump told the NYT (Trump says Mueller could cross a "red line" by digging into his finances — and he now appears to be doing just that).
On the other hand, Trump may be colluding with The Devil and Satan will come to Trump's aide (somehow preventing an impeachment). Bottom line here - if colluding with Lucifer was an option - you KNOW Trump would do it. Jeanine Pirro clearly thinks it would be great.
"Those who supported Republican candidates in recent elections, such as white born-again or evangelical Christians and white Catholics, strongly supported Donald Trump" PEW reports. A fact (I suspect) which caused Satan to smile broadly at his successful deception (convincing supposed Christians to vote for the Antichrist).
The idea of hoping to get some dirt on HRC but somehow being disappointed with the lack of any goods is patently ridiculous on so many levels. Only a complete moron would believe in the first place that there existed any dirt on HRC. So on that level, I do accept that Trump Jr. probably was actually stupid enough to believe that that was the reason why he was called. But it wasn't really dirt the Russians were talking about, was it? They didn't exactly have dirt. But they had something useful. I don't think the point ever was to hand over information to the incompetent son of a billionaire.
ReplyDeleteWhat the Russians were doing was probably looking for some kind of a green light from the Trump family. No doubt their motivation would have been for Trump to become indebted to them. Which actually seems to have worked out well for them.
Dervish, my friend, you felt the excitement of reading the leaked DNC emails. I never actually read them. But I guess the gist was that DWS and other big players were anxious to conclude the Democratic Convention with HRC the clear winner. Assange still had some credibility after the Bradley Manning massive data dump of damaging information about the wars. Russia was able to play him as a pawn in all of this. Although the Russians understood Assange's deep hatred of the democratic establishment certainly from statements by John Kerry and HRC.
They had a plan alright. It worked out rather neatly. For the life of me I will never understand Comey's role in this debacle with the eleventh hour opening of the email investigation after he had already cleared Hillary of any wrongdoing.
My guess is that Comey isn't really as squeaky clean as he would have us believe.
Re "But it wasn't really dirt the Russians were talking about, was it"... that is what DJT Jr CLAIMS. He SAYS they gave him nothing. But, while the media seems to be taking his word for it, I think he could be lying. That hacked DNC material would be released via WikiLeaks could have been discussed. According to HRC, "the Russians, in my opinion ... could not have known how best to weaponize that information unless they have been guided ... by Americans". Who says coordination to best capitalize on the WikiLeaks material was not the topic of discussion?
ReplyDeleteRe: "No doubt their motivation would have been for Trump to become indebted to them"... Trump has been indebted to the Russians for a LONG time. They had been cultivating him for decades. Mother Jones notes that The Long, Twisted, and Bizarre History of the Trump-Russia Scandal began in 1986. According to Trump (9/15/2008), "Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets... We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia".
Re: "you felt the excitement of reading the leaked DNC emails"... I didn't read many and wasn't excited at all. I felt dread, knowing that HRC would likely be the nominee.
Re: "I will never understand Comey's role in this debacle with the eleventh hour opening of the email investigation"... Yeah, I don't get that either. Especially given the fact that Trump being investigated for his Russian connections was kept quiet.
Hey Dervish,
ReplyDeleteI apologize. I shouldn't have put words in your mouth. I just remember telling you that those emails were not relevant. My mistake.
As far as HRC winning. That was fair, despite all of the propaganda. With only seven hundred super delegates, she won by a margin of one thousand delegates. She got seventeen million popular votes in the primaries compared to thirteen million for Bernie. That was very nearly the number that she earned against Obama in 2008 in her historic campaign to break the glass ceiling.
She won without any democratic party old-boy network or any other type of influence peddling. Obama could not say the same. Obama needed the super delegates and Clinton-hating Jimmy Carter to win the nod eight and one half years ago. And who could forget the persistent problem of the Michigan primary and the one half vote ruling of the DNC?
I think Willis Hart felt the excitement of reading the leaked DNC emails. He continues to bash HRC on his blog, while worrying that DJT may be removed from office and defending him re the "bullshit Russia narrative".
ReplyDeleteA few posts he has authored on these topics...
Musings on "Trump derangement syndrome", 3/25/2017.
That the Left opposes Trump is "a bit perplexing" because "he's actually kind of a leftist himself", 3/25/2017.
Willis worries "that Trump Will Be Run Out of Washington in the Next 12 to 18 Months", 6/17/2017.
Willis defends Milo Yiannopoulos (got a bad Amazon review for his book "Dangerous") a "fellow traveler" of the alt-right, 6/26/2017.
Jeff Bezos is driving The Washington Post into the ground by publishing fake news about Trump, 6/27/2017.
HRC, a bitch as well as "a corrupt and venal piece of garbage", "put herself at the center of the universe" for referring to the Russian hack of our elections as an "act of war", 7/3/2017.
HRC is a sociopath, 7/17/2017.
The "Clinton Body Count" continues to grow. Willis posts an Alex Jones/Infowars video re HRC: Murderer!, 7/17/2017.
Willis is convinced that the 17 intelligence agencies that told us that Russia interfered in the 2017 election are lying.
With this post Willis presents proof that he hopes will "finally read this stupid theory its last rites", 7/27/2017.
Willis, adopting the language of the alt-right, refers to Obama as a "cuck". According to Melmagazine, "the term exploded in popularity in July 2015, a month after Trump announced his presidential run... cuck was especially trendy on r/The_Donald, a subreddit for people who supported the candidate", 7/24/2017.