tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976234.post4580048010392646439..comments2023-09-16T04:45:50.404-05:00Comments on Sleeping with The Devil: Schmuckery Of Claim That Civil War Began Over States' RightsDervish Sandershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13671865801885224353noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976234.post-73788941597370024332014-05-20T20:13:12.180-05:002014-05-20T20:13:12.180-05:00Only people who don't know shit about Southern...Only people who don't know shit about Southern ultimatums to spread slavery, AGAINST STATES RIGHTS, would claim South cared about states rights.<br /><br />In fact, Southern leaders officially rejected states rights, by demanding the SPREAD of slavery into Kansas, which rejected slavery by votes of 98% -2% and 68% against, and also fought a four year war. <br /><br />Learn about the Southern leaders insane but dramatic and proud rejection of states rights and popular sovereignty HERE http://fairtaxgoofy.blogspot.com/Seekerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10206503506011763393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976234.post-798426731986101032014-04-27T14:34:27.034-05:002014-04-27T14:34:27.034-05:00I just noticed that "Ed Degorio" deleted...I just noticed that "Ed Degorio" deleted his comment, so I went to my Google email to retrieve it (as deleting comments is NOT ALLOWED under my blog commenting guidelines).<br /><br />Ed's original comment is as follows...<br /><br /><i>Ed Degorio: Rusty is right , get over it already , it's been 120 years, these asshats won't be happt until they are paid off, and that's the bottom line.</i><br /><br />Wrong, as well as disgusting. The "paid off" part, I mean. Not that all of Ed's comment rewriting history isn't disgusting, but the "paid off" part (implying African Americans are seeking reparations for slavery). It's another slander of African Americans as lazy freeloaders who want something for nothing... because WHY should descendants of slaves ("Asshats", according to "Ed") get reparations for something they should "get over"?<br /><br />Also, for the record I should point out that "Ed Degorio" is a sock puppet of "Rational Nation" (AKA Les Carpenter) as proven <a href="http://lyinglester.blogspot.com/2014/04/lying-lester-heartily-endorses-so.html?showComment=1396624050821#c8403972010798844215" rel="nofollow">here</a> (see last paragraph of comment) and acknowledged by Ed/RN <a href="http://lyinglester.blogspot.com/2014/04/lying-lester-heartily-endorses-so.html?showComment=1396661116528#c6086133457695597830" rel="nofollow">here</a> (where Ed/RN says "I guess you caught us"). So, is RN playing a racist character, or is RN actually racist? Me, I'm inclined to believe that RN agrees with "Ed" more than he disagrees with him and that RN is expressing his own thoughts while pretending to be "Ed".Dervish Sandershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13671865801885224353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976234.post-43419592403731511312014-03-24T12:45:56.476-05:002014-03-24T12:45:56.476-05:00Absolutely, conservatives adore "successful p...Absolutely, conservatives adore "successful people". They pine and grovel for the big strong-man to stride into their lives and rule them, to degrade them, to control them. Domination is what Rusty wants, and like any sub when someone stops him from enjoying his masochism he gets petulant and lashes out. Grung_e_Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01894879088472559055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976234.post-7880375901722403642014-03-24T02:03:01.217-05:002014-03-24T02:03:01.217-05:00RN may to a stooge, but he is somewhat of a disloy...RN may to a stooge, but he is somewhat of a disloyal stooge. He attacks me on my blog, and says he agrees with Will here and on Will's blog, but on his own blog he <a href="http://rationalnationusa.blogspot.com/2014/03/thoughts-on-civil-war-and-what.html?showComment=1395431680674#c7527619312042333199" rel="nofollow">quotes</a> and <a href="http://www.nps.gov/anti/historyculture/mlk-ep.htm" rel="nofollow">links to</a> a speech by MLK praising the Emancipation Proclamation. But when Will Hart <a href="http://paranoiacstoogetalk.blogspot.com/2014/03/on-lincoln-slavery-and-emancipation.html" rel="nofollow">said</a> "Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation is one of the biggest jokes in American history" RN only offered some meek and mild pushback, <a href="http://paranoiacstoogetalk.blogspot.com/2014/03/on-lincoln-slavery-and-emancipation.html?showComment=1395113535499#c4819360860379438743" rel="nofollow">saying</a> "<i>...one make the argument that the document put an exclamation point after... "We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights..." <b>Just food for thought</b>".</i><br /><br />"Food for thought", huh RN? Can't bring yourself to tell your buddy he's wrong... and idiotically so? I'd guess RN was being diplomatic, but then he comes here and sticks up for Will. And writes a post agreeing with Will's stupidity on his own blog.<br /><br />Why not refute ALL the lies that <a href="http://paranoiacstoogetalk.blogspot.com/2014/03/on-historian-doris-kearns-goodwin.html?showComment=1395545287336#c2059143000148714818" rel="nofollow">add to the stain</a> on our nation's character, RN? Why refute (and mildly, at that) some lies while embracing others?Dervish Sandershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13671865801885224353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976234.post-65480382699793735142014-03-23T23:28:51.910-05:002014-03-23T23:28:51.910-05:00By the way jackass, ever hear the phrase "you...By the way jackass, ever hear the phrase "you can lead a horse to water but...."<br /><br />My task is not to think for, or tell others what to think. That is what progressives like you excel at.Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976234.post-76237937242378622272014-03-23T23:21:45.514-05:002014-03-23T23:21:45.514-05:00Because asshat not everything YOU think are lies a...Because asshat not everything YOU think are lies are. Perhaps in your muddled analysis they all are are, but that does not make them so.<br /><br />Have fun, enjoy yourself, you deserve it. And, watch out for that funny farm guy. I hear he's a looking for ya.Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976234.post-39283282783406137082014-03-23T13:25:08.366-05:002014-03-23T13:25:08.366-05:00RN is Will Hart's stooge.RN is Will Hart's stooge.Dervish Sandershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13671865801885224353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976234.post-39364586516812181912014-03-23T07:10:29.668-05:002014-03-23T07:10:29.668-05:00Shaw has Stooges Ben Gazi?
Whose stooge are you...Shaw has Stooges Ben Gazi?<br /> <br /><br />Whose stooge are you?Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976234.post-7151121045913001092014-03-22T17:00:11.521-05:002014-03-22T17:00:11.521-05:00This Flying guy, is one of Shaw Stooges. This Flying guy, is one of Shaw Stooges. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07402933568056687487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976234.post-36132321462967949422014-03-22T15:47:00.211-05:002014-03-22T15:47:00.211-05:00This Flying guy's family were slave holders? O...This Flying guy's family were slave holders? Or did they just take advantage of a poor black women? Either way his guilt in understandable.Rusty Shackelfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14232914458379098036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976234.post-89970315607144767332014-03-22T15:39:14.434-05:002014-03-22T15:39:14.434-05:00Tisk...tisk......Grung_a_Gene,yet another angry li...Tisk...tisk......Grung_a_Gene,yet another angry lib who hates successful people.<br /><br />I guess he's tired of saying......."sir,would you like regular or extra crispy?"Rusty Shackelfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14232914458379098036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976234.post-16360680411472059422014-03-22T14:10:31.307-05:002014-03-22T14:10:31.307-05:00Why Lester....are we cross?
I don't think I c...Why Lester....are we cross?<br /><br />I don't think I could bear it if we were cross.Rusty Shackelfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14232914458379098036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976234.post-63056632877033315882014-03-22T13:29:22.844-05:002014-03-22T13:29:22.844-05:00I wish people like Rusty and Ed would get over it ...I wish people like Rusty and Ed would get over it and stop lying about our racist past. But people like Rusty and Ed will probably never get over it. We won't be able to move on from our racist present unfortunately, until asshats like Rusty and Ed are dead. That sad truth is the REAL bottom line.Dervish Sandershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13671865801885224353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976234.post-12638420750620890652014-03-22T11:19:50.859-05:002014-03-22T11:19:50.859-05:00Of course, it started over "State's Right...Of course, it started over "State's Rights", the right to own people and treat them as they wished.<br /><br />State's Rights... What a joke. Of all the lies told by Right-Wingers State's Rights as cover for their desire to Oppress is the top one. Right-Wingers love to use the awesome power of the government to enforce their will. <br /><br />Oppression, Intolerance and Adulation of the Rich are what State's Rights means to Right-Wingers.Grung_e_Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01894879088472559055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976234.post-7852528916548447772014-03-22T11:16:46.759-05:002014-03-22T11:16:46.759-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976234.post-44178453847624825362014-03-22T10:59:51.392-05:002014-03-22T10:59:51.392-05:00Rusty's stomping of feet and screeching can...Rusty's stomping of feet and screeching can't change history, which is that the Civil War was fought over slavery. <a href="http://w-dervish.blogspot.com/2014/03/delusional-free-trader-taken-in-by-myth.html?showComment=1395273348902#c4310162354140173613" rel="nofollow">As RN</a> (with <a href="http://w-dervish.blogspot.com/2014/03/delusional-free-trader-taken-in-by-myth.html?showComment=1395462976399#c6231180933421659037" rel="nofollow">clarification by FJ</a>) correctly pointed out in a comment to my last post... the first reason the civil war was fought was slavery (economics of an economy based on it), the second reason was slavery (the States' Rights aspect of it - slave states right to have escaped slaves returned to them), plus a third reason of slavery (an "afterthought" of the seceding Southern states who already thought of slavery as the reason they wanted to leave the Union... Twice).<br /><br />So, that makes slavery the top three reasons the Southern states gave for seceding. Maybe tariffs were an AFTER afterthought? Dervish Sandershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13671865801885224353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976234.post-12547486807765661512014-03-21T23:49:10.581-05:002014-03-21T23:49:10.581-05:00Rusty ShackleTurd has apparently been unshackled. ...Rusty ShackleTurd has apparently been unshackled. He keeps floating back to the surface.<br /><br />Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976234.post-54347518475175488172014-03-21T23:44:12.454-05:002014-03-21T23:44:12.454-05:00Damn, I didn't realize the revisionist history...Damn, I didn't realize the revisionist history was started by libertarians. I mean like I got my info and schooling before libertarians hit the radar. Always thought it was the progressives that were the revisionists.<br /><br /> Oh well. Time for that rack of lamb and a fine burgundy. Tomorrow is another day. Americans have short memories and attention spans. And, I'm an American.<br /><br />Perhaps we can take up the discussion in another say, 150 years or so?Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976234.post-62305500721512638952014-03-21T21:31:43.069-05:002014-03-21T21:31:43.069-05:00You tiny little man. Do you believe that slavery ...You tiny little man. Do you believe that slavery is ancient history like Moses and the Pharaoh? I am probably a little bit older than you, but in the 1960s, when I was a little boy, our housekeeper, or cleaning lady, as we called her, was the grand-daughter of a slave. The fucking grand-daughter! And she was still riding the bus to clean the homes of white people.<br /><br />You just don't get it. But I don't expect you to really understand anything. You do not present to me as a very serious intellect on any level whatsoever.Flying Juniorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02098313953658606206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976234.post-56379409557634806862014-03-21T13:26:33.647-05:002014-03-21T13:26:33.647-05:00Col.Sanders wants every white person to feel as gu...Col.Sanders wants every white person to feel as guilty about slavery as he does.Typical liberal,he wants to take the weight of all injustice on his shoulders and slavery is a big one for them. Worrying about slavery makes him feel better about himself,it relieves some of his guilt. The same white guilt was evident when they elected a man whose resume could have been written on a cocktail napkin to the office of president....no matter the man was a total incompetent...what did matter,he was black.....whew,they got that guilt off their backs.<br /><br />Look Col.Sanders...my family landed on Ellis Island in 1905....they had nothing to do with the Civil War or slavery....so consequently I could give a shit less about slavery and have zero guilt about it..<br /><br />The only reason I got in the conversation about the cause of the Civil War was because one of my minors in school was American History and my instructor felt states rights was the driving cause....RN feels the leading cause was economics,we disagree but I think we are both correct.<br /><br />You Col.Sanders are dead wrong when you blindly try to rewrite history...all your stomping of feet and screeching cant change history.......slavery was way down on the list of causes....sorry.Rusty Shackelfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14232914458379098036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976234.post-8069788889142576632014-03-21T10:46:27.446-05:002014-03-21T10:46:27.446-05:00It's quite interesting watching dmarks and wil...It's quite interesting watching dmarks and will hart get hard-ons discussing this revisionist, pro-confederate argument. Even RN seems to be enjoying it a little bit too much. Normally we think of confederate die-hards as people who somehow feel a magic connection to the romantic past of "My OId Kentucky Home," or just blatant racists such as Ted Nugent. I can't help wondering what is the brain orgasm driving this ridiculous argument? Why does it hold such an appeal to libertarians? It seems that just a few years back, the one thing that conservatives and liberals could agree upon was the greatness of Abraham Lincoln. Being a scholar of Lincoln, the man and his times more than the tariffs that led up to the war, I guess I'm not really prepared to jump into the fray. But all I can guess is that the simply preposterous denial of the obvious truth must have something to do with the thrill.Flying Juniorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02098313953658606206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976234.post-88274585854155699052014-03-20T21:31:51.736-05:002014-03-20T21:31:51.736-05:00Perhaps rational people can agree that even notabl...Perhaps rational people can agree that even notable historians differ on the primary drivers of the conflict.<br /><br />And... that DS isn't suffering from "white guilt" but may just be slightly delusional in his certainty.<br /><br />Besides, if it isn't going to affect the price of a rack of lamb and a bottle of fine burgundy is it really all that important?Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976234.post-21909504321810627102014-03-20T15:41:52.758-05:002014-03-20T15:41:52.758-05:00"White guilt" is a term used by racists ..."White guilt" is a term used by racists like Rusty to excuse their racist behavior... it's due to a lack of "White guilt", or so they convince themselves. Rusty should get help for that. Perhaps Rusty has some White guilt, and that is what is causing him to deny the reality of slavery being the reason the Civil War was fought? He simply can't face up to the truth.Dervish Sandershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13671865801885224353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976234.post-28224824817826019022014-03-20T13:20:20.311-05:002014-03-20T13:20:20.311-05:00You shouldn't let your personal white guilt co...You shouldn't let your personal white guilt consume you this way WD..Please consider seeking professional help.<br /><br />Your problem will not allow you to think rationally. You did not personally cause slavery....there is no need for you to carry the guilt for it.Rusty Shackelfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14232914458379098036noreply@blogger.com